1 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:04,970 we're representing fsic the Flying 2 00:00:08,930 --> 00:00:06,660 Saucer investigating Committee of Akron 3 00:00:10,850 --> 00:00:08,940 uh this is Chuck mackerson and I'm 4 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:10,860 Laurie Moyers and would you give me your 5 00:00:16,970 --> 00:00:12,780 name Jerry Yost 6 00:00:18,529 --> 00:00:16,980 your age 32 32. you're replaceable 7 00:00:19,790 --> 00:00:18,539 employment where do you work Akron 8 00:00:20,750 --> 00:00:19,800 Police Department work with the police 9 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:20,760 department 10 00:00:25,790 --> 00:00:23,220 just in order that we don't add to or 11 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:25,800 subtract from your account of what you 12 00:00:31,550 --> 00:00:28,980 saw at 1 30 this morning would you start 13 00:00:34,729 --> 00:00:31,560 in pretty much as you were going up uh 14 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:34,739 the boulevard there and uh give me a 15 00:00:40,310 --> 00:00:36,980 full detail account of everything you 16 00:00:43,030 --> 00:00:40,320 saw and and as much detail as you can 17 00:00:45,709 --> 00:00:43,040 bring into it who else 18 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:45,719 approximately 1 30 a.m in the morning 19 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:48,300 and we just cleared a call at triplet 20 00:00:52,670 --> 00:00:49,860 auto wrecking we were heading East on 21 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:52,680 triplet and approximately triplet in 22 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:54,239 Woodstock 23 00:00:59,810 --> 00:00:56,280 I made the comment to my partner I'd 24 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:59,820 seen this object ways back and I didn't 25 00:01:04,850 --> 00:01:01,379 say anything or even think of it it 26 00:01:07,070 --> 00:01:04,860 appeared to be a harvest moon that I 27 00:01:09,830 --> 00:01:07,080 thought but I made a statement to my 28 00:01:13,850 --> 00:01:09,840 partner that uh look at the large 29 00:01:15,649 --> 00:01:13,860 Harvest Moon ahead and he said that's no 30 00:01:17,030 --> 00:01:15,659 moon he said the moon's to the rarest I 31 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,040 said well it's got to be the moon I said 32 00:01:22,910 --> 00:01:19,740 what else could it be and then we were 33 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:22,920 continuing on and by that time we've 34 00:01:29,570 --> 00:01:26,100 gotten uh rather close so I asked maybe 35 00:01:32,450 --> 00:01:29,580 200 yards and the object was uh hanging 36 00:01:34,609 --> 00:01:32,460 down in a little Valley like behind some 37 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:34,619 trees in that in the church 38 00:01:39,350 --> 00:01:36,720 and the object appeared to be as big or 39 00:01:41,749 --> 00:01:39,360 bigger than the the church itself 40 00:01:44,929 --> 00:01:41,759 and about that time the object just 41 00:01:47,510 --> 00:01:44,939 seemed to diminish in size I mean 42 00:01:49,310 --> 00:01:47,520 staying parallel with the grind and just 43 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:49,320 started getting smaller 44 00:01:54,889 --> 00:01:52,439 and all of a sudden it just uh was a 45 00:01:57,649 --> 00:01:54,899 southeast of us at the time we first 46 00:02:01,850 --> 00:01:57,659 cited it and it just veered off in the 47 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:01,860 Northeast Direction and that the uh was 48 00:02:07,190 --> 00:02:04,320 Rising rapidly I mean very fashionable 49 00:02:09,290 --> 00:02:07,200 uh now did you feel that it diminished 50 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:09,300 in size before it started or anything it 51 00:02:12,890 --> 00:02:11,220 diminished inside me like I say it was 52 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:12,900 huge when we first saw it and it just 53 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:14,760 seemed like it was just on grind it was 54 00:02:18,229 --> 00:02:16,260 just going away from us even before it 55 00:02:20,630 --> 00:02:18,239 gained altitude yeah but all of a sudden 56 00:02:22,490 --> 00:02:20,640 it just veered it was going more it was 57 00:02:24,770 --> 00:02:22,500 just going straight East when it was 58 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:24,780 starting to get smaller then it veered 59 00:02:29,449 --> 00:02:26,580 Northeast and that's when it started 60 00:02:32,510 --> 00:02:29,459 making its uh Horizon to the sky 61 00:02:34,490 --> 00:02:32,520 then let's run we estimate around Canton 62 00:02:36,770 --> 00:02:34,500 and tripler Canton Albrecht there it 63 00:02:40,070 --> 00:02:36,780 just took a new East course 64 00:02:42,350 --> 00:02:40,080 and we followed it I can and to 65 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:42,360 albrechten down Albrecht and 66 00:02:47,809 --> 00:02:44,220 we got down there around Hydro Boulevard 67 00:02:50,330 --> 00:02:47,819 and Albrecht and it uh managed you know 68 00:02:54,170 --> 00:02:50,340 just disappeared into the sky for about 69 00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:54,180 125 seconds then it appeared way out to 70 00:02:59,270 --> 00:02:56,879 be on magador Sheffield you know out in 71 00:03:01,430 --> 00:02:59,280 that area for a matter of two three 72 00:03:03,229 --> 00:03:01,440 seconds I mean it didn't come down close 73 00:03:05,210 --> 00:03:03,239 to Earth it was still way up and then it 74 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:05,220 just disappeared again that's the last 75 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:07,739 we saw no it's that way who was the 76 00:03:11,210 --> 00:03:09,300 other person what's your picket John 77 00:03:13,190 --> 00:03:11,220 Bick and John Becker yeah he was driving 78 00:03:14,930 --> 00:03:13,200 the car and uh to the bus of your 79 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:14,940 knowledge were there any other possible 80 00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:17,760 observers to the well there was a fella 81 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:19,019 like I say we're just going up to the 82 00:03:24,770 --> 00:03:21,480 highest station can the triplet to get 83 00:03:26,449 --> 00:03:24,780 our radio our heater fixed and when we 84 00:03:28,790 --> 00:03:26,459 saw it we were going to go up there and 85 00:03:30,890 --> 00:03:28,800 get him you know to see it too but if it 86 00:03:34,369 --> 00:03:30,900 was going to hold still you know like it 87 00:03:37,490 --> 00:03:34,379 was but it didn't uh remain in one place 88 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:37,500 it just took off but when we first come 89 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:40,260 upon it it was stationary I believe 90 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:41,640 there was some mention on the radio this 91 00:03:45,830 --> 00:03:43,140 morning the State Highway Patrol having 92 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:45,840 seen something also yes uh state highway 93 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:49,080 patrolman stated he observed the same 94 00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:52,080 type of an object in Sawyer wooden which 95 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,840 is uh probably three miles from the 96 00:03:59,449 --> 00:03:57,120 scene where we first you know decided 97 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,459 that he pinpoint the time I was about to 98 00:04:03,530 --> 00:04:01,920 sign yeah he it happened uh 99 00:04:05,930 --> 00:04:03,540 approximately five or ten minutes before 100 00:04:07,910 --> 00:04:05,940 we you know before you thought before we 101 00:04:09,289 --> 00:04:07,920 saw it yeah he saw it first and he 102 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:09,299 observed for about five minutes out 103 00:04:14,509 --> 00:04:12,720 there and then he lost it and we saw it 104 00:04:16,789 --> 00:04:14,519 over here on triplet and we called in to 105 00:04:19,490 --> 00:04:16,799 our radio dispatch and asked them to 106 00:04:22,129 --> 00:04:19,500 check this uh airport CFA if had any uh 107 00:04:25,010 --> 00:04:22,139 sightings in our dispatcher called back 108 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:25,020 and said that uh the airports hadn't 109 00:04:28,670 --> 00:04:26,280 received any but the state highway 110 00:04:30,310 --> 00:04:28,680 patrolman had spotted something he said 111 00:04:32,689 --> 00:04:30,320 at 8-24 112 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:32,699 which was right in that area because the 113 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:35,759 patrolman said that he had seen it uh in 114 00:04:40,129 --> 00:04:38,100 sawyerwood and he pulled off 224 there 115 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:40,139 and observed it for five minutes 116 00:04:44,689 --> 00:04:42,300 and he said it was uh it was moving 117 00:04:48,590 --> 00:04:44,699 because he fixed the position of it with 118 00:04:51,050 --> 00:04:48,600 a light telephone pole or something out 119 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:51,060 there I I think we have missed some of 120 00:04:54,890 --> 00:04:52,740 the detail of the shape of the object 121 00:04:56,930 --> 00:04:54,900 and you first saw and the coloration and 122 00:04:58,490 --> 00:04:56,940 then the changing of the shape and its 123 00:05:01,070 --> 00:04:58,500 color you know when we first saw it it 124 00:05:03,890 --> 00:05:01,080 just looked like a the bottom half of a 125 00:05:06,650 --> 00:05:03,900 huge Harvest Moon that was the top half 126 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:06,660 was covered by quad layer and it was 127 00:05:12,909 --> 00:05:10,620 very brilliant oranges gold color and 128 00:05:15,409 --> 00:05:12,919 sort of 129 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:15,419 was fading away as it appeared to have 130 00:05:19,730 --> 00:05:18,360 sort of a waffle-like uh design on it 131 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:19,740 and uh 132 00:05:24,830 --> 00:05:22,620 as it was disappearing though into the 133 00:05:27,230 --> 00:05:24,840 sky it just had the appearance of two 134 00:05:29,629 --> 00:05:27,240 saucers put together I was thinking of 135 00:05:32,390 --> 00:05:29,639 this waffle at the time was that a grid 136 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:32,400 type thing yeah and this was demarked by 137 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:35,340 dark lines yeah like you say the the 138 00:05:39,770 --> 00:05:36,180 color 139 00:05:42,950 --> 00:05:39,780 of the object itself is an orangish gold 140 00:05:45,350 --> 00:05:42,960 or yellowish gold brilliant color and 141 00:05:47,870 --> 00:05:45,360 the lines on there seem to be sort of a 142 00:05:49,850 --> 00:05:47,880 orangish bronze color I mean not very 143 00:05:51,409 --> 00:05:49,860 Vivid I mean you know but you could see 144 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:51,419 them sort of set off but there was this 145 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:53,400 crisscrossing effect to me it appeared 146 00:05:58,730 --> 00:05:55,680 like yeah could you uh tell me 147 00:06:00,890 --> 00:05:58,740 approximately how number how many uh 148 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:00,900 vertical lines and horizontal lines were 149 00:06:07,189 --> 00:06:03,240 in this grid for the middle 150 00:06:12,350 --> 00:06:07,199 it's uh there's a three it was a ten 151 00:06:15,830 --> 00:06:14,270 I'd say maybe 152 00:06:18,650 --> 00:06:15,840 they were from 153 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:18,660 five to ten in that area I mean there 154 00:06:23,090 --> 00:06:20,720 were space 155 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:23,100 I mean you know you got those 156 00:06:27,529 --> 00:06:25,800 Discretions we saw in an instant there 157 00:06:29,570 --> 00:06:27,539 and it was you know going away from us 158 00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:29,580 and like I said when we first saw it we 159 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:30,960 didn't think about it he didn't even 160 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:32,819 think of anything of the sort of meaning 161 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:34,680 of what it could be they say we was 162 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:36,539 thinking it was a moon or a 163 00:06:42,529 --> 00:06:39,360 a blimp or something you know uh coming 164 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:42,539 across they're all lit up and uh you 165 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:43,800 know if you see something you could 166 00:06:47,510 --> 00:06:45,240 observe it and know what you're looking 167 00:06:49,189 --> 00:06:47,520 at it the first time you kind of look 168 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:49,199 for detail though this thing here it 169 00:06:53,809 --> 00:06:51,240 just uh was moving away and like I say 170 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:53,819 it was covered by trees and that 171 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:55,620 fortunately there's no leaves on the 172 00:07:00,230 --> 00:06:56,880 trees you could see you know through the 173 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:00,240 trees and altitude now how about the 174 00:07:06,830 --> 00:07:04,160 coloration so as you gained the altitude 175 00:07:11,029 --> 00:07:06,840 before it disappeared it was just a 176 00:07:14,510 --> 00:07:11,039 brilliant white brilliant white yeah 177 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:14,520 and uh how long do you estimate it took 178 00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:17,280 you to drive from your original point of 179 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:20,639 observation uh now you suggested this 180 00:07:24,469 --> 00:07:22,500 morning that it did get larger to you 181 00:07:27,409 --> 00:07:24,479 for a little period as you were posted 182 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:27,419 yeah and and then from that point uh 183 00:07:33,469 --> 00:07:30,240 that you first saw until you uh hit 184 00:07:35,510 --> 00:07:33,479 Canton Road where it hit the clouds uh I 185 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:35,520 thought it was about a minute probably 186 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:38,340 from the time that I first saw it until 187 00:07:42,830 --> 00:07:40,740 the last sighting of it I mean the whole 188 00:07:44,210 --> 00:07:42,840 episode probably took no more than a 189 00:07:45,650 --> 00:07:44,220 minute 190 00:07:47,210 --> 00:07:45,660 probably I can see where you wouldn't 191 00:07:49,129 --> 00:07:47,220 get too much time for a detailed 192 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:49,139 observation but a minute it's a long 193 00:07:52,909 --> 00:07:51,000 time when you're looking at something if 194 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:52,919 if it had just disappeared straight out 195 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:55,020 and that was it you know we could see it 196 00:07:59,210 --> 00:07:57,360 but the thing once nine minutes started 197 00:08:01,550 --> 00:07:59,220 veering off and uh you can just see it 198 00:08:03,409 --> 00:08:01,560 going across you know right out across 199 00:08:06,170 --> 00:08:03,419 the sky there in the Northeast Direction 200 00:08:08,629 --> 00:08:06,180 and like I say out around Canton triplet 201 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:08,639 in that area General vicinity it just 202 00:08:13,909 --> 00:08:10,020 took a 203 00:08:15,409 --> 00:08:13,919 East easterly Direction and that's uh 204 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:15,419 all over the weather conditions at the 205 00:08:19,909 --> 00:08:17,580 time so it was clear it wasn't raining 206 00:08:22,850 --> 00:08:19,919 uh it rained about a 207 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:22,860 oh they were from half hour to an hour 208 00:08:27,469 --> 00:08:25,680 after the siding but at the time it was 209 00:08:29,330 --> 00:08:27,479 clear there was a 210 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:29,340 heavy you know quad covering broken 211 00:08:33,709 --> 00:08:31,620 clouds yeah there's a moon you could see 212 00:08:35,510 --> 00:08:33,719 the moon it would you know be visible 213 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:35,520 and the clouds would drift by now that 214 00:08:39,829 --> 00:08:37,260 you did see both the object and the moon 215 00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:39,839 separately yeah I I didn't see the moon 216 00:08:43,730 --> 00:08:41,520 at the time I was watching object but I 217 00:08:44,930 --> 00:08:43,740 told my buddy with you know the the Moon 218 00:08:46,550 --> 00:08:44,940 ahead and he said that's not the moon 219 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:46,560 because he said the Moon is to the rear 220 00:08:49,310 --> 00:08:48,000 of us and he looked back and he saw the 221 00:08:52,490 --> 00:08:49,320 moon behind us today in the north 222 00:08:54,949 --> 00:08:52,500 Westerly Direction he did the set yeah 223 00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:54,959 and we did after the sighting and 224 00:08:59,030 --> 00:08:57,180 everything we did see the moon and the 225 00:09:01,910 --> 00:08:59,040 moon was at the time would have been 226 00:09:05,449 --> 00:09:01,920 like I say to our Northwest and the moon 227 00:09:06,949 --> 00:09:05,459 was a sort of a whitish color and was 228 00:09:09,230 --> 00:09:06,959 nowhere any 229 00:09:11,810 --> 00:09:09,240 even close to the color of the object 230 00:09:14,030 --> 00:09:11,820 that we saw it was like I told this 231 00:09:16,790 --> 00:09:14,040 gentleman here at about a third of the 232 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:16,800 size of this object it dubbed up here to 233 00:09:22,009 --> 00:09:19,920 stand still at one time well it actually 234 00:09:24,590 --> 00:09:22,019 to me it appeared like it was going to 235 00:09:26,930 --> 00:09:24,600 have taken away off from us there was no 236 00:09:28,910 --> 00:09:26,940 other traffic on the road at all and 237 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:28,920 when we came up there it appeared to be 238 00:09:33,110 --> 00:09:31,680 just an emotionless position until we 239 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:33,120 started getting closer then it started 240 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:35,580 going away from us and the faster we got 241 00:09:40,250 --> 00:09:37,920 then it just shot up the 242 00:09:42,250 --> 00:09:40,260 into the sky then and it did suddenly 243 00:09:44,630 --> 00:09:42,260 speed up yeah 244 00:09:46,790 --> 00:09:44,640 tremendous acceleration it didn't break 245 00:09:49,070 --> 00:09:46,800 up into any parts or explode or this 246 00:09:52,610 --> 00:09:49,080 type of thing give off any smoke no 247 00:09:55,490 --> 00:09:52,620 I just don't leave on a visible Trail 248 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:55,500 well you mean uh like a table or 249 00:09:58,910 --> 00:09:56,880 something no 250 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:58,920 um did it drop anything no change 251 00:10:03,230 --> 00:10:01,440 brightness well no it just went from 252 00:10:05,210 --> 00:10:03,240 that orgies gold color 253 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:05,220 from the uh you know close to the Earth 254 00:10:10,970 --> 00:10:07,500 there until it got up into the change 255 00:10:14,750 --> 00:10:10,980 shape from the half moon scallop top to 256 00:10:17,389 --> 00:10:14,760 to the double disc shape yeah 257 00:10:19,790 --> 00:10:17,399 do you remember if there was any wind at 258 00:10:21,590 --> 00:10:19,800 the time strong wind no I don't think it 259 00:10:23,449 --> 00:10:21,600 was uh windy out there 260 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:23,459 you observed the object at all times 261 00:10:29,269 --> 00:10:25,920 through the windshield you didn't stop 262 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:29,279 the car you know we stopped and I can't 263 00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:31,140 uh when we got out of Albrecht and got 264 00:10:34,850 --> 00:10:32,640 out of the car after we'd lost it you 265 00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:34,860 know the last time but it never came 266 00:10:40,070 --> 00:10:36,779 back but no time did you observe it 267 00:10:43,790 --> 00:10:40,080 outside of the car no I think 268 00:10:47,269 --> 00:10:43,800 um use no binoculars no 269 00:10:49,449 --> 00:10:47,279 was the object uh fuzzy or blurred or 270 00:10:52,670 --> 00:10:49,459 sharply outlined yeah I'd say it was 271 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:52,680 quite clearly you know sharp sharp the 272 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:54,560 lines of uh 273 00:10:59,389 --> 00:10:57,720 I mean I could say it didn't just a big 274 00:11:01,430 --> 00:10:59,399 ball there you know like the sun or 275 00:11:03,410 --> 00:11:01,440 something and to have a lot of fuzziness 276 00:11:05,569 --> 00:11:03,420 around the edges it was distinct the uh 277 00:11:08,509 --> 00:11:05,579 the outer edges was quite this thing 278 00:11:10,430 --> 00:11:08,519 seemed to be selfless yeah 279 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,440 you see there's nothing around there to 280 00:11:13,970 --> 00:11:12,480 cause any reflection I mean if that 281 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,980 great magnet too because it's a 282 00:11:18,290 --> 00:11:15,839 residential area and they just got uh 283 00:11:20,509 --> 00:11:18,300 well back in that area you know a coin 284 00:11:22,730 --> 00:11:20,519 will cover the moon if you hold a nickel 285 00:11:24,470 --> 00:11:22,740 up like this at arm's length you can't 286 00:11:26,829 --> 00:11:24,480 see the moon Beyond it 287 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:26,839 uh actually if you were to hold your 288 00:11:32,449 --> 00:11:29,279 hands out like this at the closest point 289 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:32,459 just visualize this how wide a spread 290 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:34,320 would you have to make to cover the 291 00:11:38,329 --> 00:11:36,660 object as your closest point that our 292 00:11:40,069 --> 00:11:38,339 closest point you know if you're looking 293 00:11:41,630 --> 00:11:40,079 through your hands like this 294 00:11:43,970 --> 00:11:41,640 I say 295 00:11:46,490 --> 00:11:43,980 about like that 296 00:11:49,009 --> 00:11:46,500 it wouldn't take that much area it was 297 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:49,019 huge you see at 200 yards if you were to 298 00:11:55,970 --> 00:11:52,260 expand this uh I'm not kidding you it 299 00:11:57,949 --> 00:11:55,980 was uh and and how much of the church 300 00:12:00,610 --> 00:11:57,959 would you say that it would take up in 301 00:12:04,430 --> 00:12:00,620 the bottom swing yeah 302 00:12:06,650 --> 00:12:04,440 it was above the church yes and it was 303 00:12:08,630 --> 00:12:06,660 as big or bigger than the church at the 304 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:08,640 time we saw it and the church uh that's 305 00:12:12,170 --> 00:12:10,860 a little amazing yeah because it was 306 00:12:13,430 --> 00:12:12,180 huge I mean it wasn't just a little 307 00:12:15,530 --> 00:12:13,440 little spot 308 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:15,540 I mean it was huge I mean this church I 309 00:12:18,530 --> 00:12:16,500 don't know if you're familiar with the 310 00:12:19,850 --> 00:12:18,540 church it's a good size Church yeah we 311 00:12:21,889 --> 00:12:19,860 saw one of that great big church but 312 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:21,899 it's a good sized church and this object 313 00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:24,240 was beyond beyond the trees and then of 314 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:26,820 this little wooded area and it was uh 315 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:28,800 like you say now if the object was in 316 00:12:32,269 --> 00:12:30,779 front of it you could see you're getting 317 00:12:34,250 --> 00:12:32,279 that but it it's behind it and it's 318 00:12:35,569 --> 00:12:34,260 still as big or bigger than the church 319 00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:35,579 where they're in the conventional 320 00:12:46,810 --> 00:12:37,800 aircraft in the area at the time 321 00:12:50,569 --> 00:12:49,550 now if you were to compare the speed of 322 00:12:55,430 --> 00:12:50,579 the object 323 00:12:58,610 --> 00:12:55,440 uh with a piston a prop job a light 324 00:13:01,490 --> 00:12:58,620 plane a jet or or faster how would you 325 00:13:03,050 --> 00:13:01,500 compare it as it took off well so I've 326 00:13:05,629 --> 00:13:03,060 never seen anything to accelerate like 327 00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:05,639 that like I say we were coming into the 328 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:07,560 bin when it started moving away from us 329 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:09,120 and my buddy 330 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:10,980 started going faster around the Bender 331 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:13,860 by the time we got down to vital Tire it 332 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:16,800 was just about completely out of sight 333 00:13:20,569 --> 00:13:19,320 and at the state it was at that level it 334 00:13:22,850 --> 00:13:20,579 seemed like it just got up to a certain 335 00:13:25,370 --> 00:13:22,860 level and it stayed there they're not in 336 00:13:26,870 --> 00:13:25,380 all brick that it disappeared when it 337 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:26,880 came back out whether it just went 338 00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:28,200 through a cloud layer or something I 339 00:13:31,670 --> 00:13:29,820 don't know whether it went higher and 340 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:31,680 came back down again I I don't know 341 00:13:37,490 --> 00:13:34,560 either but it disappeared there for uh 342 00:13:38,569 --> 00:13:37,500 five seconds and it came back in the 343 00:13:41,509 --> 00:13:38,579 view again 344 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:41,519 when it disappeared entirely I'll say 345 00:13:49,009 --> 00:13:45,660 nearby we have the muni airport the 346 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:49,019 arrows of space in Goodyear aircraft and 347 00:13:53,810 --> 00:13:51,000 uh of course it was up from dock 348 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:53,820 uh have you ever seen any other objects 349 00:14:00,710 --> 00:13:56,399 of an unidentified nature 350 00:14:02,930 --> 00:14:00,720 whoa no just uh these sputniks you know 351 00:14:04,730 --> 00:14:02,940 things that they put up on a certain 352 00:14:06,590 --> 00:14:04,740 nights you know we've the wife and I 353 00:14:09,410 --> 00:14:06,600 we've decided things you know you've 354 00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:09,420 seen the papers yeah 355 00:14:15,829 --> 00:14:13,440 but I've never seen uh anything that uh 356 00:14:17,810 --> 00:14:15,839 I remember 357 00:14:20,389 --> 00:14:17,820 shooting stuff have you been called 358 00:14:22,329 --> 00:14:20,399 today by the Air Force or federal state 359 00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:22,339 county line 360 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:24,240 newspaper is the only ones it's called 361 00:14:27,949 --> 00:14:26,579 Beacon General didn't call you well 362 00:14:29,949 --> 00:14:27,959 Beacon Journal was at the station where 363 00:14:32,509 --> 00:14:29,959 we came in this morning 364 00:14:33,889 --> 00:14:32,519 and tonight as a woman from The Plain 365 00:14:36,170 --> 00:14:33,899 Dealer called 366 00:14:39,590 --> 00:14:36,180 and talked to me then uh this morning 367 00:14:43,189 --> 00:14:39,600 before I uh well I'll talk to you this 368 00:14:45,769 --> 00:14:43,199 morning and uh talked to wkr and whlo 369 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:45,779 there's only two radio stations without 370 00:14:50,389 --> 00:14:48,240 a lot of interest it's amazing the 371 00:14:51,650 --> 00:14:50,399 amount of Interest did you hear the 372 00:14:53,750 --> 00:14:51,660 Dorothy full-time program the other 373 00:14:56,810 --> 00:14:53,760 night no I uh our television set through 374 00:15:00,110 --> 00:14:56,820 I was there about a week ago and we 375 00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:00,120 haven't uh had a TV show 376 00:15:05,689 --> 00:15:03,360 um as I talked with the uh captain at 377 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:05,699 the station this morning uh he told me 378 00:15:09,230 --> 00:15:07,860 that they weren't logging UFO reports 379 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,240 now they were holding on individual 380 00:15:14,090 --> 00:15:12,420 cards what do they mean by this well she 381 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:14,100 said we got over the new station I'll 382 00:15:17,870 --> 00:15:15,540 leave 383 00:15:20,150 --> 00:15:17,880 got a new radio system and they've got a 384 00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:20,160 new setup now before no I don't know I 385 00:15:24,110 --> 00:15:21,600 haven't been in there to see it but they 386 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:24,120 used to have just a big sheet and the 387 00:15:26,990 --> 00:15:25,680 headlines on it you know like a ledger 388 00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:27,000 sheet or something and they put the car 389 00:15:31,910 --> 00:15:30,120 the timeout the reason for the you know 390 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:31,920 the call what type of a call then when 391 00:15:36,050 --> 00:15:33,420 you called back they put the disposition 392 00:15:38,150 --> 00:15:36,060 and that was on a big sheet a lot yeah 393 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:38,160 now I understand they've got cards with 394 00:15:41,689 --> 00:15:39,959 all that on there and each time a car 395 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:41,699 gets a call they take that card and they 396 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:44,760 put the time they get the call they date 397 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:47,760 the reason for it the car number who 398 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:50,040 called you know the party calling for 399 00:15:53,389 --> 00:15:51,300 what reason where they're calling from 400 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:53,399 and all that on one card and I guess 401 00:15:58,250 --> 00:15:54,920 that some way is going to be fouled 402 00:16:01,069 --> 00:15:58,260 according to cars or districts I don't 403 00:16:01,930 --> 00:16:01,079 know like I said I am into seeing their 404 00:16:03,889 --> 00:16:01,940 setup 405 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:03,899 revolutionary changes they have changed 406 00:16:08,650 --> 00:16:05,459 yeah they have changed the setup down 407 00:16:12,530 --> 00:16:08,660 there but as far as logging I don't know 408 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:12,540 or uh putting on cards I don't know some 409 00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:13,920 time ago I understood that they have 410 00:16:19,550 --> 00:16:17,040 assigned a man to uh handle UFO calls do 411 00:16:22,730 --> 00:16:19,560 you know about them no I don't 412 00:16:26,090 --> 00:16:22,740 Know This Woman This call from uh Plain 413 00:16:29,090 --> 00:16:26,100 Dealer today she said uh uh Kent State 414 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:29,100 couple did you talk to them no 415 00:16:33,009 --> 00:16:31,500 she was saying that she said are you 416 00:16:35,629 --> 00:16:33,019 familiar with the 417 00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:35,639 Kent State couple that cited this object 418 00:16:41,689 --> 00:16:39,120 Friday night in North Hill Hall yes we 419 00:16:43,370 --> 00:16:41,699 have about uh eight or ten calls on this 420 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,380 I didn't I was thinking you were talking 421 00:16:47,870 --> 00:16:44,880 about last night no this was Friday 422 00:16:50,930 --> 00:16:47,880 night yesterday Friday night we have a 423 00:16:53,150 --> 00:16:50,940 great Money Report uh the and in fact 424 00:16:55,490 --> 00:16:53,160 we've called practically every airport 425 00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:55,500 within 100 miles to see if there were 426 00:16:59,329 --> 00:16:58,079 any advertising planes in the area and 427 00:17:03,050 --> 00:16:59,339 to the best of our knowledge so we're 428 00:17:05,630 --> 00:17:03,060 not but uh and it seemed to be a 429 00:17:08,169 --> 00:17:05,640 disshaped object with a fast rotating 430 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:08,179 room of lights around the perimeter 431 00:17:13,789 --> 00:17:11,280 one man said he was very close to it and 432 00:17:16,610 --> 00:17:13,799 uh he is the pilot and it could identify 433 00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:16,620 almost anything and he said that was 434 00:17:19,789 --> 00:17:18,480 nothing that he could identify that's 435 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:19,799 why it's me there's nothing I've ever 436 00:17:28,730 --> 00:17:26,150 well uh one one more question I suppose 437 00:17:30,409 --> 00:17:28,740 since uh the information here is pretty 438 00:17:32,530 --> 00:17:30,419 much general knowledge you you probably 439 00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:32,540 have no objection to our using it also 440 00:17:38,529 --> 00:17:36,539 uh the ways in which we use it uh is uh 441 00:17:40,370 --> 00:17:38,539 for instance we have a monthly meeting 442 00:17:42,289 --> 00:17:40,380 and uh 443 00:17:44,690 --> 00:17:42,299 quite often people who have seen them 444 00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:44,700 come down and share what they've seen 445 00:17:49,610 --> 00:17:47,280 with us as Dale started he came down on 446 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:49,620 Sharon and then we have a little monthly 447 00:17:55,130 --> 00:17:51,840 bulletin that we put out how's the 448 00:17:57,230 --> 00:17:55,140 circulation of around uh 200 now around 449 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:57,240 600 on the mailing list but we don't 450 00:18:02,330 --> 00:17:59,400 very often cover the whole mailing list 451 00:18:04,970 --> 00:18:02,340 and uh occasionally we have other public 452 00:18:07,070 --> 00:18:04,980 education meetings in which we use it do 453 00:18:09,169 --> 00:18:07,080 you have any objection to this no 454 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:09,179 very fine 455 00:18:12,470 --> 00:18:10,799 do you have any questions Chuck that 456 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:12,480 we've listed yeah I'm just like to go 457 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:15,000 into a little bit more detail on several 458 00:18:20,029 --> 00:18:16,940 of these but 459 00:18:21,289 --> 00:18:20,039 uh the weather now you mentioned clouds 460 00:18:24,310 --> 00:18:21,299 are you familiar with the 461 00:18:29,650 --> 00:18:24,320 classifications of clouds at all 462 00:18:35,930 --> 00:18:33,470 I say it was dark out and all I know is 463 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:35,940 there was a low ceiling in the 464 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:39,840 at night I mean you know with uh 465 00:18:44,270 --> 00:18:41,640 no illumination is pretty hard to 466 00:18:46,669 --> 00:18:44,280 distinguish the clouds and the moon was 467 00:18:48,770 --> 00:18:46,679 in and out you know during the night and 468 00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:48,780 uh before this until it rained then 469 00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:51,179 after that the cloud coverage had it you 470 00:18:55,789 --> 00:18:53,700 know completely uh covered up 471 00:18:58,010 --> 00:18:55,799 but they were dark and dark very dark 472 00:18:59,810 --> 00:18:58,020 clouds and they were rather low like I 473 00:19:01,130 --> 00:18:59,820 said when the moon would come out in 474 00:19:04,850 --> 00:19:01,140 their Clear Spot you could see the 475 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,860 clouds and they uh they were rather low 476 00:19:08,450 --> 00:19:06,900 uh could you give me a rough estimate on 477 00:19:17,770 --> 00:19:08,460 the percentage of the sky that was 478 00:19:17,780 --> 00:19:22,909 I wouldn't uh 479 00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:25,850 how many I'd like to a map from you you 480 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:28,559 know giving your locations 481 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,679 and the angles from where you from the 482 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:33,360 Direction You observe these from and if 483 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:35,640 you change the position at all did you 484 00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,260 change position 485 00:19:42,430 --> 00:19:40,200 well most of the time we were heading 486 00:19:44,810 --> 00:19:42,440 east because triple Boulevard runs East 487 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:44,820 and uh until you come to Canton Road 488 00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:46,380 then we had to make a left which would 489 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:48,720 have been North and we went one block 490 00:19:53,230 --> 00:19:51,000 and we made it right which is East again 491 00:19:56,029 --> 00:19:53,240 and headed directly east 492 00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,039 there at the church you have almost a 30 493 00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,559 degree angle turn a curved arm yeah but 494 00:20:01,789 --> 00:20:00,000 it it when it straightens out you're 495 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,799 still ahead and these I mean you're like 496 00:20:05,810 --> 00:20:03,840 this part of triple Boulevard is heading 497 00:20:08,270 --> 00:20:05,820 straight East and you make a sort of an 498 00:20:10,310 --> 00:20:08,280 S turn like this and go straight on East 499 00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:10,320 so actually you're continuing on you 500 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:13,679 know directions a little less curve 501 00:20:17,529 --> 00:20:16,500 there well yes head north then uh come 502 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:17,539 back uh 503 00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:20,640 but it's only uh just a small turn there 504 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,080 you know 505 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:24,360 uh did you have to lean forward and 506 00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,320 required anytime to look out the window 507 00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:29,760 well you know even when it was going 508 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:31,980 because it was going out away from us 509 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,380 like this and we could uh my partner was 510 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:36,000 driving and he he could see it all the 511 00:20:39,169 --> 00:20:37,860 time that I saw it and uh you know 512 00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,179 without the 513 00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,039 nina not looking up or anything like 514 00:20:43,970 --> 00:20:42,720 that like you just showed me that with 515 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:43,980 your eye was that about the approximate 516 00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:46,380 angle you uh when it was taken off yeah 517 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:48,539 I mean like when we first saw it was to 518 00:20:53,570 --> 00:20:51,660 our right or south east of us but then 519 00:21:01,150 --> 00:20:53,580 when it was going off into the sky it 520 00:21:05,810 --> 00:21:03,529 I think that's about all I have Larry 521 00:21:08,090 --> 00:21:05,820 now I'd like to get some angles and put 522 00:21:09,830 --> 00:21:08,100 all possible bearings 523 00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:09,840 no you you feel you'd have to be out 524 00:21:16,370 --> 00:21:14,330 um 525 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:16,380 I was like you go to work at 11 don't 526 00:21:23,690 --> 00:21:20,400 you yeah well we start uh 527 00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,700 by the time uh actually we are supposed 528 00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:25,679 to be on duty 11 30 by the time we get 529 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:27,000 out of the station now it's about 530 00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:29,700 quarter of 12. 531 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,620 how do we change that on time now we 532 00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,360 used to change that in our districts now 533 00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,880 we changed downtown which uh holds you 534 00:21:39,409 --> 00:21:37,679 up sometimes from a quarter to 12 to 12 535 00:21:41,450 --> 00:21:39,419 o'clock depending on the 536 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,460 roll call you know and information that 537 00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:43,440 they're putting up on there 538 00:21:49,370 --> 00:21:45,659 so sometimes it's after 12 before we get 539 00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,380 out in our respective districts 540 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:51,120 I think he was running about this one 541 00:21:58,190 --> 00:21:53,340 possibly he could maybe catch you in the 542 00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,490 we'll be out there all night 543 00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:04,020 for like I said midnight to eight in the 544 00:22:13,549 --> 00:22:11,090 um I've got a schedule myself around 11 545 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:13,559 o'clock uh you you're not driving right 546 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:17,990 I was wondering you know if you drop me 547 00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,500 off I'd get my car 548 00:22:22,610 --> 00:22:20,880 well no no I know you're not driving 549 00:22:25,630 --> 00:22:22,620 here but I mean but but you do have a 550 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:25,640 car yes uh do you suppose you could uh 551 00:22:29,390 --> 00:22:27,780 do you have a pressing schedule for 552 00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,400 tomorrow morning we'll have to get up in 553 00:22:33,770 --> 00:22:31,520 the morning 554 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:33,780 I mean do you feel you want to pick this 555 00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,200 up tonight or maybe wow we could do it I 556 00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:38,960 mean it's better well I'm off Wednesday 557 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:41,940 you know Tuesday night I'm off Tuesday 558 00:22:47,750 --> 00:22:44,700 night well it's tomorrow night yeah 559 00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,760 we're off tomorrow night oh Tuesday 560 00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,159 well maybe uh even make arrangements 561 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:53,280 yeah I'm sure we can uh 562 00:22:58,730 --> 00:22:56,640 although I do have an equipment now 563 00:23:02,570 --> 00:22:58,740 you can do it tonight uh you will be in 564 00:23:05,390 --> 00:23:02,580 the area you say well uh 565 00:23:07,149 --> 00:23:05,400 hello for sightings that 566 00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:07,159 yeah 567 00:23:12,289 --> 00:23:10,200 I'd like to do it just kind of uh walk 568 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:12,299 through the steps that go through the 569 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,860 motions you actually went through and 570 00:23:19,149 --> 00:23:15,960 observing this oh I see and then I have 571 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:19,159 a compass and a complete major altitude 572 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,740 and uh so if he could pin the exact 573 00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:24,840 moments of observation along with about 574 00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:27,299 three or four other people observing it 575 00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,340 from different directions he could just 576 00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,100 about tell you well how high it was and 577 00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:34,080 what have you 578 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:51,110 ERS out there 579 00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,860 reporting there 580 00:23:58,690 --> 00:23:54,900 so we if we do we're not allowed to be 581 00:24:01,130 --> 00:23:58,700 stung until after one o'clock new rules 582 00:24:02,930 --> 00:24:01,140 they give us a list of about 10 15 583 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:02,940 things we're not allowed to do now well 584 00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:04,320 sometimes they're starting to get a 585 00:24:14,090 --> 00:24:12,350 then they get a new station down there 586 00:24:15,890 --> 00:24:14,100 and they're you know they they just 587 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:15,900 comes up every so often they start we're 588 00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:17,100 just like in the service you know they 589 00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:18,980 gotta keep portion get a little yeah 590 00:24:24,289 --> 00:24:22,620 yeah but we just 591 00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:24,299 we just great and bear we know it's 592 00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,100 going to last for a while and things 593 00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,220 will slack off but yeah we can meet you 594 00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:31,200 have a regular spot you have to report 595 00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:33,120 in or something yeah we got like I said 596 00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:36,380 we got to be at the station about 11 30. 597 00:24:42,649 --> 00:24:40,559 and a quarter 12 to 12 anywhere from 598 00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:42,659 then to there we're relieved you know to 599 00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,400 go out in our district man you got to 600 00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,380 give us time so actually I'd say 601 00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,500 it's from 12 30 with just you know would 602 00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,120 give us enough time to get out in our 603 00:24:58,669 --> 00:24:53,760 district and clear the station and uh 604 00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:00,590 yeah and you might find yourself writing 605 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:03,600 a call well what we could do is we can 606 00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:05,220 just call our service and tell them that 607 00:25:08,649 --> 00:25:06,240 we're going to be out of service you 608 00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:08,659 know for a few minutes 609 00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:11,700 how about if I meet you tonight at 12 30 610 00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,360 at the control tower parking lot it's 611 00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:17,580 okay right in front of the uh control 612 00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:20,340 tower at the airport right and then if 613 00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:21,539 you're delays any reason you wouldn't 614 00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:26,039 have coffee yeah I think okay all right 615 00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:27,960 if you get there earlier if we can get 616 00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:29,640 there earlier we'll come by there and 617 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,500 then okay maybe make it earlier watch 618 00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,240 I'd be there about 12. 619 00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,039 so I'll be there plenty of time okay 620 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:36,960 well as soon as we can we'll come by 621 00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,240 there and uh if you're there at 12 and 622 00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:42,059 we're out there at 12 well I'm pressing 623 00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:45,059 for us to get uh a taped interview with 624 00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,440 this uh 625 00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:49,279 truck driver over the traffic between 626 00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:51,720 Parkersburg and Marietta oh you're on 627 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,460 that case yeah 628 00:25:57,789 --> 00:25:56,400 so you do this uh on the side I mean it 629 00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:57,799 was just yeah 630 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:00,480 this is November 8th isn't it yes 631 00:26:05,690 --> 00:26:03,840 November 8th uh 1966 and this is Chuck 632 00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:05,700 mackinson and Larry Moyers and Mark 633 00:26:09,049 --> 00:26:06,720 conducive from the flying south 634 00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:09,059 investigating committee interviewing a 635 00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,380 person about something that happened 636 00:26:14,750 --> 00:26:12,419 just the other night uh what is your 637 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:14,760 full name please John Pickett John 638 00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:18,240 vickett your age 36. and where do you 639 00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,340 work at from Christopher what's your 640 00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:22,159 occupation 641 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:24,900 any special training in the Army this is 642 00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:27,600 the serving the services yes what uh 643 00:26:32,570 --> 00:26:29,460 what service was in the Army and Marine 644 00:26:34,909 --> 00:26:32,580 Corps and did you fly I identifying 645 00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,919 yesterday you did yeah you consider 646 00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,419 yourself having a pretty good set of 647 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:39,179 eyes even today oh yeah okay what was 648 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:45,830 what time was it the approximate time 649 00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:48,659 approximately 1 30 in the morning that's 650 00:26:54,289 --> 00:26:51,179 Eastern Standard Time now yes and the 651 00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:54,299 place where you saw the object was it uh 652 00:26:58,909 --> 00:26:57,539 Triplett Boulevard and quail and quail 653 00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,919 were you traveling in what direction I 654 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,900 was traveling East how long do you use 655 00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:02,940 the object you know minutes or seconds 656 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:05,700 well uh actually it's kind of hard to 657 00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:07,140 tell it wasn't very long I'd say maybe 658 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:08,760 uh two minutes 659 00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:11,100 something like that did you have good uh 660 00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:12,539 What kind of a kind did you have and 661 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:14,039 what kind of disability it was clear we 662 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:16,200 could see it good uh was there clouds in 663 00:27:19,130 --> 00:27:17,220 this guy 664 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,140 well it may have been I don't know I 665 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:21,240 didn't notice actually yeah but it 666 00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,500 didn't look clear it didn't rain it 667 00:27:26,269 --> 00:27:23,940 wasn't raining oh no it wasn't raining 668 00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:26,279 for the Stars uh was there a moon out 669 00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,320 yes there was a Mona which way was it 670 00:27:33,409 --> 00:27:30,480 from you well from us it would have been 671 00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:33,419 uh it was behind our Cruiser and we was 672 00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:35,340 heading east so from us it would have 673 00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,779 been what uh West sort of West yeah all 674 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:41,760 right in the what direction did you see 675 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:44,640 the object itself East you see more than 676 00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,240 one object no just one all right now uh 677 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,640 what color was it but when we first seen 678 00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:52,799 it was a yellowish gold or orangeish 679 00:27:57,289 --> 00:27:55,500 gold color did you ever see it behind 680 00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:57,299 trees or did it pass in front of trees 681 00:28:02,029 --> 00:27:59,880 yes uh when we first seen it you could 682 00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:02,039 see it through the trees it's just the 683 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:03,299 bottom portion of it you can see through 684 00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,500 the tree I'll give you a chance to tell 685 00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,240 the whole story you know all in one big 686 00:28:09,649 --> 00:28:08,700 swing in a minute here did you observe 687 00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:09,659 it through the windshield or did you get 688 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,980 out of the car to see through the 689 00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:12,480 windshield you didn't get out to look at 690 00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:15,659 all when we got out of the car but uh 691 00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:18,179 it was uh after we had lost it the first 692 00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,059 time there yeah okay you hear any sound 693 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:23,760 at all no was it a clearly outlined 694 00:28:27,649 --> 00:28:26,220 object or was it blurred or fuzzy no it 695 00:28:28,730 --> 00:28:27,659 was clear you can see it do you think 696 00:28:30,289 --> 00:28:28,740 the light was coming from the object 697 00:28:31,130 --> 00:28:30,299 itself or was it reflecting lights in 698 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,140 the city 699 00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:33,840 no it was coming from The Savage 700 00:28:38,690 --> 00:28:36,480 all right and uh we'll ask you about 701 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,700 what about the size what did it compare 702 00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:40,200 how to compare with the moon did you did 703 00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:42,419 you try to compare the two well compared 704 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:43,860 to the Moon the Moon was small compared 705 00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:45,480 to this object you've seen well could 706 00:28:51,529 --> 00:28:47,100 you give me a proportion two three times 707 00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:51,539 or what well one and a half no it was uh 708 00:28:57,370 --> 00:28:54,179 I'd say twice as big as part of the Moon 709 00:28:59,810 --> 00:28:57,380 we could see the diameter yeah yeah 710 00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,820 I would say from what we could tell 711 00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:02,640 approximately 70 feet long from where we 712 00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:05,279 was at it looked why did you come to the 713 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:09,360 system how far away were you well uh 714 00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,520 maybe 100 yards under 50 yards something 715 00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:13,260 like that 716 00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:15,480 and how the object disappear from you 717 00:29:21,169 --> 00:29:18,779 well it uh it was setting still when we 718 00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,179 first seen it and then when we stopped 719 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:23,279 the cruiser and then we started to go 720 00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:24,360 towards you go ahead and tell your whole 721 00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:25,679 story from now on right from the very 722 00:29:30,049 --> 00:29:28,380 beginning uh we were going east on 723 00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:30,059 tripler Boulevard 724 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:32,220 and we were at Woodstock and Triplett 725 00:29:36,830 --> 00:29:34,860 when we spotted this object at Quail and 726 00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:36,840 triplet which is about uh 727 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,440 maybe 100 yards away 150 yards away this 728 00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:42,000 object was sitting right behind the 729 00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:45,299 church there at uh quail and uh Triplett 730 00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:48,539 and we stopped a cruiser as long as I 731 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:49,500 come up over there you know it kind of 732 00:29:51,769 --> 00:29:50,580 shakes you when you see something you've 733 00:29:55,130 --> 00:29:51,779 never seen it before 734 00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:55,140 and uh with them how much my buddy told 735 00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:57,240 me you know let's go see what it is so 736 00:30:01,970 --> 00:29:58,740 when we got in the cruiser and started 737 00:30:03,769 --> 00:30:01,980 toward this object it started to leave 738 00:30:07,130 --> 00:30:03,779 traveling East 739 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,140 straight away yes it didn't rise but it 740 00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:10,320 started to go away from us headed east 741 00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,500 it went in that direction while I 742 00:30:16,090 --> 00:30:15,299 couldn't say how many feet or how many 743 00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:16,100 miles 744 00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:19,380 for a ways and then it it kind of veered 745 00:30:22,970 --> 00:30:21,059 to the left now it didn't make a sharp 746 00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,980 left but it kind of banked like like you 747 00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:24,899 would see an airplane Bank off to the 748 00:30:27,529 --> 00:30:25,740 left 749 00:30:30,850 --> 00:30:27,539 and it went in this direction until we 750 00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,860 got to about a curved path you mean yes 751 00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,299 did the object change shape as a curve 752 00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,880 like that uh yeah it uh I don't know 753 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,919 seemed to kind of flatten out a little 754 00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:40,640 as it was going away from item I'd say 755 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,279 accelerating uh it kind of flattened out 756 00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:46,320 now it uh 757 00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:48,600 stayed there on this bank until we got 758 00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:50,840 to approximately uh 759 00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:54,600 Canton Road then it seemed to go back in 760 00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:56,279 the easterly direction 761 00:31:01,370 --> 00:30:58,440 now stayed in this direction until we 762 00:31:04,190 --> 00:31:01,380 got almost to mogador on Albrecht Avenue 763 00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,200 and it went out of sight 764 00:31:08,210 --> 00:31:06,840 how well it just kept getting smaller 765 00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,220 and smaller and smaller until it got out 766 00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:10,320 of sight just in distance right it 767 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,580 didn't get lost in any clouds or 768 00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,140 anything like that no we could see it 769 00:31:18,289 --> 00:31:16,799 until it went out of sight uh and then a 770 00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,299 few seconds later it came back into 771 00:31:22,730 --> 00:31:20,159 sight and I told my buddy I said it's 772 00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,740 coming back down did it get larger he 773 00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,380 has to come yeah it got me larger but it 774 00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:27,840 didn't come down you know as far as it 775 00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,460 was at first you know it just came down 776 00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:33,360 for maybe like uh uh three seconds that 777 00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,340 we could see it at this time seemed to 778 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,740 be returning towards you yes and then it 779 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:39,240 took off again 780 00:31:42,289 --> 00:31:40,860 and disappeared you know kept getting 781 00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:42,299 smaller smaller and it took off again 782 00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,980 and then we didn't see it anymore it 783 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:45,120 appeared to you that was disappearing 784 00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:46,320 just like any other object like an 785 00:31:48,529 --> 00:31:47,460 airplane or something like that in the 786 00:31:50,269 --> 00:31:48,539 distance so you just watching an 787 00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,279 airplane go away from me with a light in 788 00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:52,380 the back or something like that and uh 789 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:54,539 at this at this time the color of it was 790 00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:55,740 uh 791 00:32:01,610 --> 00:31:59,760 seen it at first what was the color at 792 00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:01,620 first well I don't know a kind of a 793 00:32:06,590 --> 00:32:04,260 silver gray maybe oh is it first no it 794 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,600 was a yellowish orange color but then as 795 00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,919 it kept getting what you know going 796 00:32:12,049 --> 00:32:09,720 faster it seemed like it changed this 797 00:32:13,490 --> 00:32:12,059 color to uh all kind of a whitish colors 798 00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,500 silver gray maybe what about when it 799 00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:15,539 went into this curving turn yeah that's 800 00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,240 when it started changing color and shape 801 00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:20,399 like you know it kind of flattened out 802 00:32:24,649 --> 00:32:22,380 well maybe uh maybe it's much like if 803 00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,659 you look at a quarter hit on and then 804 00:32:27,769 --> 00:32:26,399 you make the quarter uh flatten out a 805 00:32:29,930 --> 00:32:27,779 bit now if you took that quarter head on 806 00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,940 like that and then the minute you you uh 807 00:32:32,570 --> 00:32:31,320 you sort of flipped it like that you 808 00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,580 couldn't see the whole thing now you see 809 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:34,440 it as an oval shape right something of 810 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,440 that nature yes yes 811 00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:39,659 you didn't hear a sound at all you see 812 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,039 any Sparks on any smoke or anything like 813 00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,720 that coming from around and see no 814 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:44,880 lights there's no body or anything it 815 00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:46,740 was standing still at one time when we 816 00:32:51,409 --> 00:32:50,100 first seen it yes yes and uh did uh what 817 00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,419 kind of speed was it making when it was 818 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:53,039 moving away what do you think 819 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,600 just compared to an airplane that's the 820 00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:56,340 only thing you can compare it with well 821 00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,899 when it was going away from us it was 822 00:33:02,029 --> 00:32:59,520 going a lot faster even any airplane 823 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,039 could go I think it was I I believe 824 00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,500 because uh considering the length of 825 00:33:08,690 --> 00:33:06,480 time that we've seen it for this object 826 00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,700 to disappear from the size it was when 827 00:33:12,529 --> 00:33:10,679 we first seen it for it to go clear out 828 00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:12,539 of sight enough to be able to watch it 829 00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:14,100 go out of sight how long did you think 830 00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,720 it took to go out of sight 831 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,240 could you just estimate that time 832 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,600 maybe a minute and a half minutes what 833 00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:23,220 was your altitude estimate 834 00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,899 when we first seen it when you first 835 00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,460 seen it then when it went outside yes 836 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:28,440 well when we first seen it it was awful 837 00:33:34,190 --> 00:33:31,320 though I would say maybe uh 838 00:33:35,570 --> 00:33:34,200 100 200 feet off the ground when we it 839 00:33:36,889 --> 00:33:35,580 looked like when we first seen it you 840 00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:36,899 know it's hard to tell 841 00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,779 uh and the altitude when we lost it I 842 00:33:43,070 --> 00:33:41,519 have no idea what it was because it just 843 00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,080 kept going up and going farther farther 844 00:33:47,570 --> 00:33:45,960 away it actually it actually raised in 845 00:33:49,310 --> 00:33:47,580 its elevation as it went away as it's 846 00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,320 going away yes it was gone usually if 847 00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,260 it's flying a level course uh it would 848 00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:53,519 drop a little bit of time as it went 849 00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,720 toward the Horizon but in this case you 850 00:33:58,130 --> 00:33:56,580 say it was just right it was Rising so 851 00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:58,140 then it was actually on the rise as it 852 00:34:02,029 --> 00:34:00,240 went out yes when we first saw this when 853 00:34:04,009 --> 00:34:02,039 there's any uh landmarks or objects to 854 00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,019 kind of give me the height comparison 855 00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:07,260 well yes the church there now we could 856 00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:09,780 see this object above the church 857 00:34:13,190 --> 00:34:11,700 see and there's there's trees there and 858 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:13,200 you can see it through the trees on the 859 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,760 sides of the church 860 00:34:19,310 --> 00:34:17,220 now whether it was on the ground or off 861 00:34:21,050 --> 00:34:19,320 the ground we don't know you know I 862 00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:21,060 couldn't tell on the ground on the 863 00:34:26,690 --> 00:34:23,700 ground well whether it landed or oh see 864 00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:26,700 I'm talking about but how close it was 865 00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:29,280 down actually I don't know how's the 866 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:30,480 conference size when you look at the 867 00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:32,520 church and it well it was as big as a 868 00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:35,040 church or bigger and that's quite it has 869 00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200 quite a harvest moon I know this was no 870 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:39,119 moon because we seen the moon up there I 871 00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:41,700 pointed to them was there anything at 872 00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,020 all that you could see I mean was there 873 00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:45,419 any detail at all outside of a uh what 874 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,800 was the shape of the object I mean not 875 00:34:50,570 --> 00:34:48,480 the yeah the general shape was round you 876 00:34:53,149 --> 00:34:50,580 say the bottom of it was round and it 877 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:53,159 was uh flat on the top you know is that 878 00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,320 right and uh there was nothing to cut it 879 00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:57,060 off no clouds to cut it off like that no 880 00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:58,440 no there was nothing to cut it off like 881 00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:00,420 that no it had a form to it this had a 882 00:35:03,890 --> 00:35:01,500 farm didn't have anything sticking out 883 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:03,900 like antennas I didn't see any no what 884 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,640 about this what about the uh the surface 885 00:35:10,730 --> 00:35:07,260 of this object did it have anything that 886 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:10,740 met your eye that was strange well uh 887 00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,160 other than being a strange hobby to uh 888 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:16,680 it wasn't real smooth surface you know 889 00:35:20,810 --> 00:35:19,079 what I mean it had uh I don't know if 890 00:35:22,250 --> 00:35:20,820 you'd call it waves or what you would 891 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:22,260 call it but it wasn't a were they 892 00:35:26,569 --> 00:35:24,420 geometrically placed all the way yes it 893 00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:26,579 looked uh you know like uh well they 894 00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,599 weren't actually what I don't know if 895 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,280 you call them Squares or not 896 00:35:34,849 --> 00:35:32,240 uh it's kind of hard to describe it 897 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,859 but it wasn't a smooth surface you know 898 00:35:38,329 --> 00:35:36,960 what uh when you get some time sit down 899 00:35:39,650 --> 00:35:38,339 with a piece of paper and do the best 900 00:35:41,569 --> 00:35:39,660 you can on these you keep drawing until 901 00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,579 you get what you think is right we'd 902 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:43,500 like to see what you come up with all 903 00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,940 right uh I don't know whether we should 904 00:35:48,589 --> 00:35:46,560 join what we have or not until we get 905 00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,599 the uh we get his drawing but we do have 906 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:50,040 something here that might compare with 907 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,300 what you saw 908 00:35:55,790 --> 00:35:53,400 but it wasn't a smooth surface there was 909 00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,800 I I don't know if it was a design on the 910 00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,300 on this thing or what it was but it 911 00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,280 wasn't a smooth surface you saw no no 912 00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,040 other lights with it you know another 913 00:36:05,329 --> 00:36:03,480 lights which are of a different color or 914 00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:05,339 even with more with more Brilliance no 915 00:36:09,050 --> 00:36:07,560 nothing rotating it didn't seem to be 916 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:09,060 rotating at all 917 00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:12,060 right now was it was it banking this way 918 00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:13,320 now let's say French you got the flat 919 00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,180 top and you got the rounded bottom there 920 00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:17,880 was it uh yawing back and forth no not 921 00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,859 that I was completely level even in all 922 00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:21,960 flight yes and well until it started 923 00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,640 banking off like this here but it wasn't 924 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:25,200 moving this way no not that we could 925 00:36:29,390 --> 00:36:27,300 tell no this is what I call a wobble you 926 00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,400 know did you see any kind of smoke or 927 00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:32,160 any kind of uh of an hour or Corona or 928 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,380 effect around it did you see the 929 00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:35,760 atmosphere around it was just it was 930 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,800 just clear-cutting the atmosphere yeah I 931 00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,200 mean it wasn't faded out you know what I 932 00:36:43,790 --> 00:36:42,420 mean like say you would see smoke in the 933 00:36:45,710 --> 00:36:43,800 sky at night how to kind of Fade Out 934 00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:45,720 this was not like it didn't give off any 935 00:36:48,530 --> 00:36:47,280 any other light though or let's say for 936 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,540 instance do you see the clear-cut area 937 00:36:52,490 --> 00:36:50,400 did it give off any light let's say 938 00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:52,500 sometimes it gives off a a certain 939 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:53,760 amount of light all the way around 940 00:36:58,089 --> 00:36:55,320 perfectly I mean like you see it around 941 00:37:01,730 --> 00:36:58,099 the Moon yeah sometimes yes 942 00:37:02,990 --> 00:37:01,740 hmm no change of brightness except when 943 00:37:05,089 --> 00:37:03,000 it changed it when it started to move 944 00:37:06,410 --> 00:37:05,099 that's the only time when we seen it 945 00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:06,420 when it first started to go away from us 946 00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:08,339 it was the same color you know it did 947 00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,720 change shape only because you thought 948 00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:11,700 there was a possibility that it was that 949 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:14,940 it was uh changing its position well you 950 00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:16,680 don't know for sure I don't know why it 951 00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:17,880 changed the shape but it looked like it 952 00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,820 did uh leaving all right now let's see 953 00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:25,619 uh when you look through the windshield 954 00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:27,060 what part of the windshield did you look 955 00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:28,740 through I mean was it as a middle of the 956 00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,300 windshield the upper part of the 957 00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:31,440 windshield yeah it was through the 958 00:37:34,810 --> 00:37:32,400 middle of the windshield we didn't have 959 00:37:36,890 --> 00:37:34,820 to look up we didn't no 960 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,900 pretty much the metal first scene it 961 00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,640 seems to be a pretty low angle right 962 00:37:45,170 --> 00:37:41,460 okay and uh your comparison of course 963 00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:45,180 you gave it at uh as because the church 964 00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:46,680 if not larger that was right next to 965 00:37:49,250 --> 00:37:47,700 right 966 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:49,260 well it's pretty hard to tell unless we 967 00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:50,460 know exactly how far away it was 968 00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:51,660 somebody on that side should have seen 969 00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:53,700 it that's what we need somebody east of 970 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,800 you and Beyond and should have seen it 971 00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:57,180 and then we could forget a pretty good 972 00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,619 idea you know we're just exactly where 973 00:38:01,609 --> 00:38:00,000 it was as far as distance is concerned 974 00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,619 well I understand this patrolman did see 975 00:38:06,609 --> 00:38:04,560 it he was on east of us when he seen it 976 00:38:09,730 --> 00:38:06,619 he was he was the woman 977 00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:09,740 well he was in sawyerwood yeah 978 00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:11,820 still would give us an idea you see 979 00:38:15,290 --> 00:38:13,079 because we could cross those two lines 980 00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,300 he was on Route 224 and we were on 981 00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:17,040 tripler Boulevard and they run parallel 982 00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:19,740 approximately a mile apart yeah let me 983 00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,599 ask another question here what about the 984 00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:23,579 uh 985 00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:25,320 it just happened to be there he just 986 00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:26,579 looked and there was as you were driving 987 00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:28,740 down the road yeah we didn't see it come 988 00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,300 down or anything we didn't see nothing 989 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,339 until is there a riser or something 990 00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:33,599 there's a little bit of a rise where you 991 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:35,640 come up over and level off the wire kind 992 00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,680 of goes up the hill there yeah but it 993 00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:39,839 goes up a hill and it makes a curve and 994 00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:41,220 then starts down the hill when we get on 995 00:38:44,990 --> 00:38:42,780 top at the curve there is where we see 996 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:45,000 it right okay 997 00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,500 uh did you see any airplanes around 998 00:38:49,730 --> 00:38:48,000 during the time that you were watching 999 00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:49,740 this thing or just before or just after 1000 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:51,599 no I didn't 1001 00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:52,800 oh 1002 00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:55,980 and uh what other person was with you uh 1003 00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:57,960 my partner Gary Yost uh-huh and do you 1004 00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,940 know the name of the patrolman no I 1005 00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:01,560 don't I couldn't tell you that I don't 1006 00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:03,800 know did we find out Chuck 1007 00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,339 okay look I didn't I don't know 1008 00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,560 let's see now 1009 00:39:13,609 --> 00:39:12,300 did anybody else talk to you let's say 1010 00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,619 for instance of an official nature like 1011 00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:16,200 the military like the Air Force like the 1012 00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:17,460 sheriffs 1013 00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,460 no nobody's talked to me but uh you just 1014 00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:22,320 it's just us that's all nobody else but 1015 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,520 somebody else has talked to you on the 1016 00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:26,040 phone oh yeah it's just about 20 minutes 1017 00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:28,740 ago Mr Popovich George Popovich okay the 1018 00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,940 uforc and uh 1019 00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:34,560 you didn't have a camera with you no we 1020 00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:36,900 didn't I wish we would oh boy you know 1021 00:39:41,210 --> 00:39:38,339 it's amazing to me because almost all 1022 00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:41,220 police uh cars are lacking a camera I 1023 00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,660 think that there should be uh some kind 1024 00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,880 of a Polaroid or something in there that 1025 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,500 you guys could take a picture of our 1026 00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,960 traffic cars our cameras our cruise yeah 1027 00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,599 well they all should have one do you 1028 00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:54,359 people have a log down at the uh done at 1029 00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:56,220 your police station on UFOs that come in 1030 00:39:59,450 --> 00:39:58,200 do they put them on the log we were told 1031 00:40:01,370 --> 00:39:59,460 they don't 1032 00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:01,380 whether they do or not I that I don't 1033 00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,200 know now we uh radioed in that we 1034 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,760 spotted it seems kind of funny to me 1035 00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:07,200 that they they wouldn't put on the 1036 00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:08,940 record now whether they do or not I 1037 00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,740 couldn't tell you 1038 00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,960 is there any possibility that you uh you 1039 00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,579 have anything against use of your name 1040 00:40:18,950 --> 00:40:17,280 for particular purpose like mitching on 1041 00:40:21,170 --> 00:40:18,960 a radio or in a newspaper or something I 1042 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:21,180 mean on our little pamphlet that we send 1043 00:40:27,849 --> 00:40:24,540 out it's okay yeah we thank you for that 1044 00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:27,859 now is there any other question Larry 1045 00:40:32,930 --> 00:40:31,920 have you seen other objects before have 1046 00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:32,940 you ever seen something like this before 1047 00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,460 well uh I don't know if I'll see you 1048 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:38,460 before yeah we've seen a uh going across 1049 00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:40,140 the sky one night but what it was I 1050 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:41,339 don't know it was too far away we 1051 00:40:44,569 --> 00:40:43,320 couldn't tell what it was but we watched 1052 00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,579 it but it was nothing like this here 1053 00:40:48,250 --> 00:40:46,680 this is it wasn't April 17th in the 1054 00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,260 morning was it 1055 00:40:52,970 --> 00:40:50,820 when was it geez I don't know when it 1056 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:52,980 was you know I couldn't tell you I know 1057 00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:54,540 it was in the summertime did I don't 1058 00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:55,560 know did he tell you about it no you 1059 00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,780 didn't let's see well but it was so far 1060 00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,180 away but we couldn't tell what it was 1061 00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:02,460 but it was nothing like this here it was 1062 00:41:06,050 --> 00:41:03,660 just a white 1063 00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:06,060 uh going across could have been a 1064 00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:07,619 satellite too could have been yeah now 1065 00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,579 let me ask you a question about this 1066 00:41:12,109 --> 00:41:10,079 surface because this is important to us 1067 00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:12,119 uh was there a scintillation you know 1068 00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:13,260 what a scintillation is you know you 1069 00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,339 take for instance if you look at a 1070 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:15,839 diamond or something or something with 1071 00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,480 many little particles of very shiny 1072 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,220 materials that continually give off 1073 00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,380 little bits of light all the time did it 1074 00:41:27,890 --> 00:41:25,440 look like it like that at all no uh well 1075 00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:27,900 no it looked more like a 1076 00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:30,480 well I don't know what he described as a 1077 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:31,440 waffle 1078 00:41:35,450 --> 00:41:33,420 I finish on it you know what I mean a 1079 00:41:37,130 --> 00:41:35,460 waffle finish right you know how a 1080 00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:37,140 waffle a little chicken yeah yeah well 1081 00:41:40,270 --> 00:41:38,220 that's what it looked like it wasn't 1082 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:40,280 smooth 1083 00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,260 but I didn't give off this business like 1084 00:41:46,849 --> 00:41:45,000 like different surfaces of light no 1085 00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:46,859 giving off color so that they maybe the 1086 00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,440 color one moment was uh let's say a tiny 1087 00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,880 bit of green a tiny bit of red a tiny 1088 00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:52,980 bit of white tiny bit of nothing like 1089 00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:55,980 that no and it was not one time that you 1090 00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,540 saw any light go away from the object 1091 00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,000 into the atmosphere around it you know 1092 00:42:03,650 --> 00:42:02,520 no I didn't no no what was it Brilliance 1093 00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:03,660 what would you compare the Brilliance to 1094 00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:05,220 I mean how brilliant was it compared to 1095 00:42:16,490 --> 00:42:06,540 the Moon let's say 1096 00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,589 well other than being a different color 1097 00:42:22,310 --> 00:42:21,000 it was bright but it was a different 1098 00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:22,320 color than auto headlights you know what 1099 00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:25,440 I mean but it was bright I mean have you 1100 00:42:28,849 --> 00:42:26,880 seen uh have you seen let's say France 1101 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,859 as a landing light in an airplane coming 1102 00:42:33,770 --> 00:42:30,960 towards you oh I've seen that yeah we 1103 00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,780 see that out there directly at it oh yes 1104 00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,640 you could look at it as bright as the 1105 00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:37,140 sun would be if you no I mean you we 1106 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,820 looked at it we never took our eyes off 1107 00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,260 of them it didn't hurt your eyes anyway 1108 00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:42,960 no did they have any no no no watering 1109 00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:45,960 of the eyes at the moment from strain no 1110 00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:52,670 you notice anywhere 1111 00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,380 is there any way that night no not not 1112 00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:57,540 to amount to anything that is it cold or 1113 00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:01,319 warm it was cold it was cold 1114 00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:02,880 see I did miss some of these things yeah 1115 00:43:07,370 --> 00:43:05,099 I didn't follow the thing all the way 1116 00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:07,380 we got the elevation the size apparently 1117 00:43:10,430 --> 00:43:09,000 we're going to compare it with a with a 1118 00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,440 with a church so there's no use to 1119 00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,420 having anything else to compare it with 1120 00:43:17,150 --> 00:43:14,520 and he did say that it Rose while it was 1121 00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:17,160 in motion it didn't it never did 1122 00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,980 anything erratic it never it never moved 1123 00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:21,900 along like this or or let's say for 1124 00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,420 instance it's uh sort of a like a wild 1125 00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,400 canary or something like that it uh what 1126 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,920 you might say was on a steady course it 1127 00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,960 didn't up and down or if it rolls it 1128 00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,640 rolls steadily right and if it came 1129 00:43:36,829 --> 00:43:34,859 towards you it came towards you right it 1130 00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,839 never seemed to have any any deviation 1131 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,579 right or left as it came towards you or 1132 00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:40,980 went away no it didn't no other than 1133 00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:42,839 when it banked off what I would call 1134 00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:44,819 banked off kind of to the left 1135 00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,280 you know or to the uh North it would 1136 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:49,680 have been was it was it a helicopter 1137 00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,900 was it a helicopter no it was an 1138 00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:53,640 airplane no it wouldn't work do you 1139 00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:55,859 think it was a blimp no it was no blend 1140 00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:57,180 do you think it was any kind of an 1141 00:44:01,010 --> 00:43:59,460 aircraft you ever saw no I've never seen 1142 00:44:03,849 --> 00:44:01,020 anything like it what'd you think you 1143 00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,859 saw I don't know what it was 1144 00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:06,180 I think this about concludes our little 1145 00:44:08,990 --> 00:44:07,500 interview here I don't think I have 1146 00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:09,000 anything else to ask 1147 00:44:12,589 --> 00:44:10,740 and uh 1148 00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,599 how do you spell your last name your 1149 00:44:16,210 --> 00:44:14,640 first name John and your last name I 1150 00:44:18,410 --> 00:44:16,220 mean 1151 00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,420 well thanks Mr Pickett for your 1152 00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:20,880 hospitality and the interview and this 1153 00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,220 is Mark and do so Larry Moyers and Chuck